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Nadim I call it ‘Urwerke’. It’s not entirely a joke, but there’s something slightly Dadaesque in the naming of it.

Karl Because it belongs to that tradition?

Urwerke, from notebooks, May 2019

Nadim I think of Rene Daumal in ‘Pataphysics, Queneau & Perec in the OULIPO. Movements that break the categories that divide up experience, movements that restore a sense of wholeness.

Karl Your work wants to return to a deeper sense of experience? An experience that lies at the root of mathematics and art?

Nadim Yes.