FWIW, I have shot a Ruger #1 in 375 H&H off of a bench a few years back. It is based on the full length .375 H&H Magnum blown out and shortened to 2.800 inches (71.1mm). The .458 Lott is a .458 caliber belted hunting cartridge designed as a replacement for the less powerful .458 Winchester Magnum. Sold mine and found a RSM in 416. I shot twenty … AR15.Com reserves the right to overwrite or replace any affiliate, commercial, or monetizable links, posted by users, with our own. The rifle and scope stood up well to the rigors of both Alaskan and African hunting. I shot both while checking zero on my rifles after in camp. From the bench, I would imagine it would be worse, less ability for your body to move on recoil. If I were to choose a bolt-action .45-caliber dangerous game rifle, it would undoubtedly be a .458 Lott. Curious what to expect. Anyways, there is no need to wildcat the 458 Lott. Wisconsin Cartridge Compnay loads a.458WM Remmy 405gr FPSP @ 2200. The action (l.) is 7/16” longer than standard M77s, and its barrel thread diameter is beefed up to 11⁄8” instead of 1”. I sold all my brass to a good friend once I decided to … In 2002, Hornady and Ruger teamed up to legitimize Jacque P. Lott’s wildcat cartridge—one that delivers more velocity, energy (and recoil) than the .458 Winchester Magnum. It is also used by some Alaskan guides when hunting the enormous Kodiak brown bears. Anyway, I realize this is a newbie question for most of you experienced hunters and I do apologize for it. Worst felt recoil bolt rifle I have ever shot was … Walsh used the 500-gr. The express rear sight has one fixed and two flip up blades. ), Open iron sights, weight: 10lbs. Much better. BigBuck74 Well-Known Member. It can be measured or computed empirically and has been for this recoil table. Joined Jun 8, 2017 Messages 610 Location Idaho. Jan 10, 2021 #24 I poached some pics from online to show the bullet.. Lott’s condemnation lead to decreased sales for the .458 Win Mag until Winchester switched to a more temperature stable powder in the 1970’s. From hunters and military members, to competition shooters and general firearm enthusiasts, we welcome anyone who values and respects the way of the firearm. Good price, just over $700 new. In the shooting sports we call that reaction recoil or "kick." Privacy Policy • Contact Us • Warnings • FAQs • © 2021 National Rifle Association of America. .458 Lott 500 Grain Barnes TSX Triple Shock- The .458 Lott is a .458 caliber belted hunting cartridge designed as a replacement for the less powerful .458 Winchester Magnum.It is based on the full length .375 H&H Magnum blown out and shortened to 2.800 inches. Mag., based on a belted.375 H&H case that gently tapers from 0.513" ahead of the belt to 0.483" at the case mouth and with a.458" bullet, was introduced in … It's a little light, and the recoil pad sucks. Copyright © 1996-2021 AR15.COM LLC. Recoil energy of the.458 is not for the faint of heart or recoil shy. If you really need that large of a caliber and plan on shooting it quite a bit, get a muzzle break installed. From the bench, I would imagine it would be worse, less ability for your body to move on recoil. However, since being a member … (Whereas Winchester created he 458 Win Mag by cutting down the H & H case in order to accommodate shorter action lengths) This is why you can fire 458 Win Mag in a 458 Lott chambered gun. The best selection of hunting, self defense, target, shooting, practice, plinking, surplus, jacketed hollow point/JHP, full metal jacket/FMJ, and frangible 458 Lott ammo - buy 1000 rounds or more. The Lott can be loaded up to give a 500 grain projectile a muzzle velocity of over 2,300 fps. Just bought a Ruger Model 1 in .458 Lott myself, even after reading the info above. how bad will it be, or should i consider a muzzle brake I have one in .450-400 NE 3", which isn't that bad. He has never been recoil shy, though. New for 2021: Springfield Armory Hellcat RDP, ARTV: Civilian Marksmanship Program M1911 Pistol Sales, History and Performance Of The The .44-40 WCF, The Guns of Grenada: Operation Urgent Fury, Mossberg Silver Eagle Reserve II: No. It has the following upgrades, all performed by Brockman: Brockman Express laminated Stock, with satin finish Brockman Express Hex sights Action and Barrel Black Teflon Coated Mercury Recoil … The cartridge is designed for the purpose of hunting African dangerous game.1 The .458 Lott was designed in response to perceived inadequacies … While we have went to great lengths to make sure that it's as accurate as possible this rendering should not be used to generate specs for casings. Recoil was brutal to say the least. Increase the gun weight by, say, 25% and the recoil goes down by 25%. Asside from the recoil issue, I don't think there is a shoulder fired sporting arm that qualifies as a stopper on elephants. And if you scope the rifle, remember eye relief...lots and lots of eye relief. The plate spreads out the recoil to a larger surface area of the stock. The ability to reload ammunition to lower velocities with lighter bullets can provide shooters with ammunition with less recoil than the full power .458 Lott ammunition. Ultimately the hunt fell through, but I still have my .458. The .458 lott has a more than unusual recoil for some reason, snappy. The barrel rib and barrel are machined from the same piece of steel. Maybe a recoil pad / shield on my shoulder would help. Additionally, the .458 Lott has about 15% more recoil than the 500 grain load from the .458 Winchester Magnum. If you hand load, you can load some really nice practice loads using light bullets and Trail Boss. One thing to keep in mind of these big bores are not bench rest guns. Buy in stock 458 Lott ammunition online. We bought CV .458 Lott's for less than $1200 at the time, and this was probably 2014. I have a Ruger Number 1 in .458 Lott. Exactly after two or three shots from the big 50s a 458 Lott is but a maiden's kiss Based on the recoil calculator 458 Lott 500g bullet 2300 fps (max) 85g powder 10 lb rifle weight = 76 ft lbs recoil 22 fps recoil velocity 500 Jeffery 570g bullet 2510 fps (max) 120g powder 12 lb rifle weight = 108 ft lbs recoil 24 fps recoil velocity I would prefer a bolt action but it's the gun I own. I agree with the previous poster, that the Ruger #1 is poorly designed to handle the big magnums. This article, "All Business: The .458 Lott," appeared originally in the November 2003 issue of American Rifleman. Since then, the .458 has become the work-a-day dangerous game cartridge in Africa. My son first shot it when he was 13. They also offer intermediate power ammunition for the .458 Lott … 1 Over-Under Shotgun of 2020, © 2021 National Rifle Association of America. Where the Winchester cartridge uses a 2.500" case, Lott used the .375 H&H-length 2.850-inch case for additional … But when I shot my last two Caribou with it, recoil was the last thing on my mind and I never felt it. I'll stick to 416s. A .458 which fires 500 grain bullets at 2300 fps … However, this comes at a significant increase in the already substantial recoil. Best, cheap, bulk 458 Lott ammo for sale. Both rifles were my PH,s. 23 1/2" Krieger barrel with NECG banded ramp front sight with flip up night sight, banded front sling swivel, barrel recoil lug, and NECG island express rear sight with one standing and two folding le They are made for dangerous game and should be fired in the standing position. It is the true length of the original H&H case. Like others have said the #1 isnt made for big bores, beautiful gun, but sucks to shoot. Reactions: BigBuck74. Recoil shy or not, the 458 lott is the starting point of recoil levels that take a whole order of magnitude more mental concentration to set them off. Recoil is a very subjective thing. I don't think it is even offered in M77 anymore. .300 Win. All Rights Reserved. Invest in a Lead Sled. He necked up the .375 H&H’s cases to take .458 caliber bullets, and voila! Not wanting to take chances with big bears, the author took the .458 Lott afield to Alaska in pursuit of grizzly bear. Friday, September 25, 2020. Do not forget that rifle weight is a crucial factor in the recoil equation, inversely proportional to recoil. Speaking of recoil, the 460 Weatherby Magnum, which was introduced in the late 1950s, is even more … The big rifle proved handy for its size and carried well in the rough country of the Alaska Range. Montana Action, Shilen Barrel, McMillan Stock, 3-sighting systems. Looks nice in stainless steel with laminated stock. .458 Lott, Winchester 180-gr. with the .458 Lott. Cartridge Type: Height: 2.8" Width: 0.532" Average FPS: 2254 Average Energy: 5583 Average Gr: 495 Recoil: 5.05 *Casing image above is an artist rendering and not a real photo of .458 Lott Ballistics cartridge. I will admit that when I last zeroed my 375 H&H off of a rest, it kicked like a fucking mule. Also, notice I Drop the … The 458 Lott is a powerhouse. I have a Ruger #1 is 375 H&H and one in 458 Win mag. One shot made my eyes blur. $$$ ammo too. Mag. [ARCHIVED THREAD] - Anyone shoot a 458 Lott? From my perspective, the recoil is substantial (worse than my .50 cals) and not much fun to shoot. (Maybe this is a little like asking what being punched in the head by Mike Tyson feels like.). Five hundred grains at 2,300fps has got to hurt. Got the video somewhere. Here are some performance figures for modern .458 … Beautiful and functional custom .458 Lott. Pleasant out of my 8.5lbs Whitworth. The.458 Win. its an encore pistol with a 15 inch bull barrel. What's the recoil like. The cartridge is designed for the purpose of hunting African dangerous game. E-mail your comments/questions about this site to:EmediaRifleman@nrahq.org For questions/comments about American Rifleman magazine, please e-mail:Publications@nrahq.org You can contact the NRA via phone at: NRA Member Programs1-800-672-3888, To advertise on American Rifleman, visit nramediakit.com for more information. Many folks contend that 458 Lott is what the 458 Winchester Magnum should have been from day one. Nyati Inc., a big bore ammunition manufacturer, has taken advantage of this flexibility and offers ammunition featuring a 500-grain (32 g) copper jacket bullet at 1,100-foot-per-second (340 m/s). Brutal. I suggest some reduced loads. Ruger #1's are poorly designed for heavy recoil. I'm using the Trijicon RMR red-dot (on top of the regular scope) for this fast shooting. Stopper in the sense of, if your shot is off the mark, it'll still stop the animal. The 458 Lott already takes advantage of the case capacity available in the case. He loved it. Very smooth actions and beautiful wooden stocks. Very unique rifle, actually a one-of-a-kind "Take-Down" Dangerous Game gun in .458 Lott. Jack Lott's experiences with the .458 Winchester Magnum in Mozambique in 1959 left him wanting more, as a Cape buffalo roughed him up a bit. I would think that anything bigger would be intolerable. A buff which a .458 Win. Just bought a Ruger Model 1 in .458 Lott myself, even after reading the info above. They don't have as much drop in the stock as say and English double or European Mauser, but Most American made rifles do not. The .458 lott has a more than unusual recoil for some reason, snappy. Shot it a bit this past weekend, to be honest, from the standing position I don't find it too bad, not nearly as bad as I would have imagined. Thanks for all the responses. At a certain point, you … Besides, the .458 Lott as a from-the-factory proposition was big news, and this was the perfect opportunity to cover it for the magazine with some practical field experience. Never shot a #1 in a Lott, however i did have one in 416 Rigby that hammered to shit out of me. had failed to stop. Mag. While ammo is indeed higher than most sporting cartridges, it is one of the cheaper dangerous game cartridges, bearing in mind that the Win Mag can also be shot in it. Mag, Hornady 500-gr. AR15.COM is the worldâs largest firearm community and is a gathering place for firearm enthusiasts of all types. Good price, just over $700 new. I'm 6'3" and 250 lbs, and am no stranger to belted magnums, owning quite a few of them. Any one know? A.E. by Mark Keefe - The recoil … Filmed over the entire summer, this is my magnum opus on the 458 Lott and why I think it is without question the best safari rifle setup around. A bedding plate replaces the more traditional recoil lug found on other Ruger bolt rifles. Subscribe to our monthly Newsletter to receive firearm news, product discounts from your favorite Industry Partners, and more. InterLock .458 Lott factory load to take down a Cape buffalo in Africa. He looked to improve the performance of the .458 Winchester, and his .458 Lott did just that. It produces over 50 pounds of free recoil, despite its maximum operating … Women On Target® Instructional Shooting Clinics, Volunteer At The Great American Outdoor Show, Marion P. Hammer Women Of Distinction Award, Women's Wildlife Management / Conservation Scholarship, National Youth Shooting Sports Ambassadors, NRA Outstanding Achievement Youth Award Presented by Brownells, National Youth Shooting Sports Cooperative Program, Marlin Centerfire Rifles Coming Later in 2021. Shot it a bit this past weekend, to be honest, from the standing position I don't find it too bad, not nearly as bad as I would have imagined. Any use of this content without express written consent is prohibited. Some people, regardless of physical stature, handle it well, when others don't. bullet on up to 550gr. Note that .458 Lott load compared above is for a 500 grain bullet at 2,250 feet per second (which is the fastest load in my reloading manual). Some may think the stock is of poor design, but if this was 100% fact, Ruger would not be able to sell them at their current numbers and custom gun manufacturers would not be chambering them in .600 and .700 Nitro. The .458 Lott, legitimized as a factory proposition by Ruger and Hornady, is a task-specific cartridge made for the business of taking on the world’s biggest—and most dangerous—game. Get the American Rifleman Insider newsletter for at-a-glance access to industry news, gear, gun reviews, videos and more—delivered directly to your Inbox. To subscribe to the magazine, visit the NRA membership page here and select American Rifleman as your member magazine. If I'm not mistaken, you can shoot anything from a 300gr. Lott became convinced Winchester’s cartridge needed more velocity. The rifle wears a APA Fat Bastard Muzzle Brake which helps with recoil and lets me re-engage each target efficiently. Full length resized without crimping. This rifle was customized by Brockman's Rifles, of Gooding Idaho USA. Ammunition: reloads using Hornady New Dimension dies, RCBS Rock-Chucker press Brass: Hornady Powder: Accurate 5744 - 38 grains (no fillers) Primers: Remington 9 1/2M Magnum rifle Bullets: Hornady 500 grain DGS - .458 dia. The .458 Lott exists because one man, John Lott, almost met his death in the late 1950s on a wounded Cape buffalo’s horns. Bumping that velocity up to the 2,300 feet per second advertised with many .458 Lott factory loads will increase that recoil … The retained weight was 419.8 grs., and it expanded to 0.838”. The Great Ammo Shortage of 2020: When Will It End? Mag. It started life as a .458 Winchester, but was re-chambered to .458 Lott. The Lott also has another really cool feature: Because the .458 Lott is nothing more (and nothing less) than an elongated .458 Winchester case, any .458 Lott rifle can and will shoot factory .458 Winchester Magnum ammunition without issue. I have a m77 in .458 Lott. .458 Win. It's probably a better cartridge for that gun than the Lott. Brands like Barnes, Federal, Hornady, and Nosler. Left to right: Federal 500-gr. I've heard about the bruising recoil the .458 Lott can dish out and something to be concerned about but I'm not too worried about that. I have shot 2 458 Lotts in bolt action Brunos that felt recoil was not much more than my CZ 375 HH. Rifle: CZ 550, American Safari, .458 Lott (/.458 Win. 500gr bullet at 2300 fps, how bad will it be, its an encore pistol I was heading to the Alaska Range for grizzly in a few months, and I didn’t want to take any chances with a big bear that can make one re-evaluate one’s position on the food chain. Searcy Vektor .458 Lott Description: .458 Lott by Butch Searcy of Boron, California built on a South African Vektor true magnum length double square bridge Mauser action.
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